Tool Q&A: Tools to use to diagnose stalling engines

Veterans agree scan tools have become faster and can diagnose more stalling issues.


Q: A customer complains of their vehicle stalling when coming to a stop. The engine rpm is erratic and the car stalls near idle. What do you do, and what tool do you use?

A: Assuming the technical service bulletins have been checked, the first step is to scan the vehicle for diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs). Veteran technicians agree that scan tools have become much faster and can diagnose the majority of stalling issues.

Victor Rivilla, director of marketing at Launch Tech USA, offers the example of diagnosing a 2007 Audi A3 that is stalling. The scan tool finds the following DTCs stored: P0103/16487 and P0121/16505. The P0103 will indicate mass or volume air flow circuit high input. The P0121 will indicate throttle position sensor, an implausible signal (See Fig. 1).

From the VAG repair manual, we learn the malfunction "P0103/16487" is set as soon as the signal voltage rises above 5V for longer than 0.5 seconds with engine speed below 2,000 rpm, Rivilla notes (See Fig. 2). The malfunction "P0121/" is set at a coolant temperature of over 70 degrees C (158 degrees F), with engine speed between 1,500 rpm and 3,500 rpm for longer than two seconds and an engine load over 66 percent found via the mass air flow sensor signal, as soon as the sensor signal voltage is less than 0.96V.

To "see" and check for this, one can use a scan tool to view this data without needing to know the proper channel ID (if running the latest VW/Audi software from Launch). Simply select “Control Units/Engine Electronics/Advanced Measurement Data” and you will be able to view the above as it occurs.

To address the first DTC, Rivilla advises to check the mass air flow (MAF) sensor for dirt or fluid of any sort. Also, check to see if there is a solid connection between the connector and the sensor and if there is any corrosion.

For the second DTC, check the throttle position sensor harness for any signs of damage or contamination by debris or dirt and for any connection issues. Clear the DTCs and test drive.

The two DTCs are probably related, according to Phil Fournier, president of Phil’s Auto Clinic, St. Hemet, CA and instructor at Mt. San Jacinto College. When the MAF measures a high-voltage signal, the PCM expects to see the TPS reflect a corresponding throttle at wide open throttle (WOT) and it does not; hence, the implausible signal. Chances are very good it is one issue only, Fournier notes. This is a huge reason why it is worthwhile for customers to pay for diagnosis as opposed to a “code read” which results in hanging parts for codes that are “performance codes” and not “component codes.”

 

Q: Will the scan tool always correctly diagnose the problem?

A: Veteran technicians claim scan tools will correctly diagnose most stalling problems, but there are situations where other tools are needed.

Bernie Thompson, president of Automotive Test Solutions (ATS), notes that a delay can occur in data transmissions which can hide the root cause of the stalling problem or lead you in the wrong direction. As the engine is stalling, the entire data sets (sensor readings) are in change. These data sets are linked together in chains that indicate the physical changes that are read by the sensors. If you see a piece of the chain in the scan tool data stream fail, this may not be at the start of the chain, but somewhere in the middle. With the delay in all data transmissions, it may be difficult to see the root cause.

Yet another problem for the scan tool is the way that a programmer writes the code to set DTC, Thompson notes. In order for a DTC to set, a threshold or set point must be crossed for a given period of time. If this does not occur, no DTC will set. However, the way the program is written, the wrong DTC may set. This may be due to a threshold against time being broken, not at the root cause of the problem, but somewhere in the middle of the chain.

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